Errors-To: admin@elephant-talk.com Reply-To: newsletter@elephant-talk.com Sender: moderator@elephant-talk.com Precedence: bulk From: moderator@elephant-talk.com To: newsletter@elephant-talk.com Subject: Elephant Talk #1096 E L E P H A N T T A L K The Internet newsletter for Robert Fripp and King Crimson enthusiasts Number 1096 Saturday, 22 February 2003 Today's Topics: GIG BIZ: Ticket for sale - March 6th - Town - Excellent location GIG BIZ: Need Seattle tix Clarification on SCI Ticketing and KC SOUNDSCAPES The True Enthusiasts SCI Ticketing TPTB Live Crimso Discs opening acts Best Live Crim? Power To Beleive Tour / Old Material??? True to your beliefs... Clear Channel's not all bad True Fans, Pearl Jam, etc.. Re: American Crimson - How 'bout Schmoe kCrimsonaire?!? :) Tour-Asheville-respect, to Robert Upcoming tour KC members privacy. HOB-Pre-sale King Crimson at Gothic ppeners.. 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ET is produced using John Relph's Digest system v3.7b (relph@sgi.com). ------------------ A I V I R T S I N I M D A --------------------- Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 19:21:12 -0500 From: "Fred Reissig" Subject: GIG BIZ: Ticket for sale - March 6th - Town - Excellent location Due to a scheduling conflict I cannot use my ticket for March 6th at Town Hall at 8.30. Location: Row B Seat 118 I will charge only face value with only two conditions: 1) Payment is by United States Postal Order 2) Payment is sent registered return receipt. Upon receipt I will send the ticket via the same means. Please respond off list. Thanks, Fred ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 12:45:29 -0800 From: Bob Ramstad Subject: GIG BIZ: Need Seattle tix I have no excuse... I messed up and wasn't organized to buy tickets for the Seattle show at the Moore... of course now the only tickets available pretty much suck. I'm hoping some organized and helpful soul ended up with extras and wouldn't mind hooking up another ETer. I'm looking for two tickets, though even a single ticket would be helpful. Will pay face value and Ticketbastard charges if you incurred them. Happy to pick the tickets up from you anywhere in metro Seattle and pay you in cold hard cash. Yow! -- Bob ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 11:21:51 -0700 From: "Jason Mastrine" Subject: Clarification on SCI Ticketing and KC I saw this post (below my email) from an upset fan and thought that it might help if I provided some clarification on what's going on with the KC/SCI Ticketing ticket issue. Robert and the boys aren't screwing anyone. In fact, it's quite the opposite. First, give KC credit for caring enough about you guys to offer an alternative to Ticketmaster. It's not easy to put this all together and they do not make one additional penny in doing it. Second, neither King Crimson nor SCI Ticketing knew that Clear Channel and Ticketmaster would keep us from selling tickets to these shows. When we told KC mgmt about the problems we were running into, they were 100% behind us in making sure the public knew that TM and CCE were putting the screws to the little guy and that you were the ones who would ultimately lose out. KC didn't have to put their necks on the line by taking that stand. They could have simply left it at "SCI Ticketing will not be selling for this event." They went the extra step by making it abundantly clear on their website what the real situation was. And if KC wanted to do the fan club and charge a $15 annual fee, they could have and we might have been able to sell tickets. Again, to their credit, they didn't want to do this and I don't blame them. They shouldn't have to create a fan club in order to sell tickets directly to their fans. It's bullshit. Artists should have the right to sell tickets to their own events and if they can do it cheaper, better, and save everyone money, then more power to them. CCE and TM aren't allowing King Crimson and other bands to do this (stipulation-free, at least). Be upset at them. Don't be upset at King Crimson. Our boys are doing the right thing by standing up for their rights and defending your right to buy a ticket at a fair price directly from your favorite band. I hope this email has shed a little more light on the issue. If any of you have any other questions or comments, please feel free to drop me a line directly (mastrine@sciticketing.com). Thanks for the time. jam Jason Mastrine SCI Ticketing 4760 Walnut St #106 Boulder CO 80301 voice 303.544.5875 fax 303.544.1292 www.sciticketing.com > Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2003 00:24:29 -0800 > From: "CWilson" > Subject: Kc Screws fans/SCI ticketing > > A very disappointing comment from SCI Ticketing: > > SCI Ticketing's motivation has always been to provide fans with an > alternative to the high service fees and impersonal service of major ticket > agencies. In addition, we believe it is the right of every artist to sell > their own tickets; for without the artist there would be no tickets. > Recently, there has been a mandate attempting to require us to meet > arbitrary "fan club rules" in order to sell tickets. For instance, we must > charge you a mandatory annual membership fee of $15. We must make our events > password-protected so that they're not available to the general King Crimson > public. We must rely on an existing King Crimson fan club - not just a > "ticket buying club." And finally, we must offer the opportunity to purchase > merchandise and interact w/ band members via a chat room. We are not willing > to jump thru these hoops, at the expense of the people who keep us all in > business. You, the people who support live music. > > The Fripper 'mandating' crapola guidelines?... that keeps me from getting > 'true-fan' tickets ahead of time? Could it be The Fripper & Co. wants a > piece of the $15 'membership fee'?????? In which case, I have a simple > reply: Bobby, kiss my arse > > UTTERLY disappointed, > a 'True-Fan' > > P.S. King Crimson is now a Clear Channel lackey????????????????? > > We regret to inform you that SCI Ticketing will not be able to offer tickets > for any of King Crimson's Clear Channel-promoted concerts. This affects the > following dates: March 5/6 in New York, March 8 in Boston, March 13 in > Detroit, March 28 in San Francisco, and March 29 in Los Angeles. > > To purchase tickets for any of the Clear Channel-promoted King Crimson > events, we suggest you visit Ticketmaster. > > Bobby, if you are sucking the hind teat of Clear Channel, then I'm even more > disappointed than I was before.... :( :( :( ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 13:40:25 -0800 From: "H b" Subject: SOUNDSCAPES Hello Geeks! Marc Gonzalez had asked " Can anyone recommend one of Robert's Soundscape CDs that is on par with that one (From HWWYHTBHW)? Well, you asked, Marc and I am very fond of Robert's Soundscapage, so here's my four cents: The entire Soundscape box set is quite good ( A Blessing Of Tears, Radiophonics and That Which Passes) with That Which Passes being my favorite. November Suite is also quite stunning and on par with Gates of Paradise. The 1999 Live release is the weakest recording, but even that has its moments.. My current favorite is A Temple In The Clouds which is with Jeffrey Fayman. Also recommended is some of the Sylvian/Fripp releases and Projekct X: Heaven and Earth, which incorporate Soundscapes into the release. If you haven't heard the original Revox looping material (Evening Star, No Pussyfooting, Let The Power Fall) or the stuff with Andy Summers, by all means check that out as well!!! I hope this give you a starting point for your Soundscape research!! Incidentally, I saw Fripp in San Francisco (Slim's) for the Soundscapes tour and had a close encounter due to the fact that I was sitting with his sister! Oh, how I covet that rack of effects..... PEACE MAN, Dr Howard n.p. silence ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 21:59:08 -0600 From: "Ced Hendrix" Subject: The True Enthusiasts On behalf of the true enthusiasts of King Crimson, I wish to offer the following attempt at a ray of hope toward Robert, Adrian, Trey and P@, as they prepare to hit the road once again. Please don't let the "true fans" and their ignorance bring you down. Please do not let these chowderheads ruin the gift you possess, nor dampen your will to bring it to those who appreciate it. We, The True Enthusiasts, have reached an unspoken understanding with you, the musicians. The True Enthusiast: 1) Understands that if we don't like the sound of the new record, then we do not have to buy it. 2) Understands that if we feel the price of a concert ticket is too high, then we do not have to attend. 3) Understands that you do not want your concerts recorded, photgraphed, or broadcast via cell phone, so we will not attempt to do so. 4) Understands that Robert requires his space, does not want to sign anything, does not have picks to give away, and does not wish to engage in protracted, irrelevant conversation. So we will not engage nor ask. 5) Understands that expectation is a prison, and that the greatest gift a musician can receive is the willingness of an audient to accept the sounds the musician puts forth, rather than those the audient would anticipate. It is not my attempt to sound like some mindless robot, or like I have been brainwashed by the Philosophy of Fripp (whatever that is percieved to be). Rather, I am simply saying that the rules are in place, they are understood, and The True Enthusiasts accepts them. Or, he relegates himself to "True Fan," heads for the basement, and screams for "Ladies of the Road," while holding his cell phone high above him. Good luck with the tour. I hope to see you out there. Peace, Cedric Hendrix cirdec@brick.net ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 11:38:09 EST From: KishelKAE@aol.com Subject: SCI Ticketing I am astounded that anyone could so illogically misinterpret the message from SCI regarding ticket sales at the Clear Channel events so completely as did CWilson. Rather than rail against Clear Channel's ticket sales policy, most likely, one can infer, a result of long standing contractual agreements with Ticketmaster, energy was wasted with misguided mean spirited impolite insult fest. In spite of the arrangements, with a little luck, I found that good tickets to the Wiltern show were quite easy to get and very reasonably priced. We are looking forward to enjoying KC perform the material from TPTB, and as we have in the past, savor the moment, since KC doesn't come around very often, but when they do ..... John Kishel ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 19:36:17 +0100 From: "Christophe Coutant" Subject: TPTB Hello from france This is my first post on this mailing list although I've been there since a long long time... but who cares ? One: TPTB is now out in France and according to those men who are selling Cds it is very well welcomed. Two: "Our enemy is our friend": with this little sentence, I don't feel very comfortable in my mind. Don't know if I'm ok or not ! Three: I'd like to have the lyrics of TPTB Four: who is the Vicar ? Five: TPTB is a luminous album. Amities de france Christophe ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 21:13:08 -0000 From: "DAVID TATE" Subject: Live Crimso Discs I was surprised to see Hyde Park 69 referred to as 'horrendous' in the last ET. In fact I just had to get it out and play it to see if I could fathom what could have sparked off that comment. I suppose it is the raw bootleg quality, but you know, I love this album. I had never heard Greg sing Epitaph in this way and the atmosphere is fantastic. In the cover interesting things are revealed such as David Enthoven and Dik Fraser being the crankers of the air raid siren beneath the stage at the end of Mars. You also have the reunited band talking in 1997 at the Epitaph Playback as a bonus and even better than this is the last track which is an instrumental version of 21st.Century Schizoid Man. I waited a long time for that disc and I am very far from disappointed. In fact I really hope that DGM will release a great deal more of this rare stuff so please don't be negative, I wouldn't like you to put them off by careless talk. B boom was also singled out, which is odd, as that album really rocks to me and the quality is good. Better advice for those seeking good live albums from particular eras of Crimso would be to say, "start in 1969 and work up to now and get the whole lot, if you really like Crimso, you will in the end anyway; and enjoy yourself!" Anyway there must be many of us who really do like all the Crimso incarnations, can see the value of recorded history and still get high at Hyde Park or elsewhere on music and atmosphere at the spin of a CD. For those of us who never get a chance(especially in 'good old blighty') to see the greatest contemporary electric band in the history of rock strut their stuff, this is all we've got. The last time I was able to see the Fripster live was in London in 1980 when I lived there.(this is probably mostly my fault, but you must admit they don't grace our shores often) Last point, lets put pressure on DGM to release more DVD visuals, especially from the sixties and seventies, it does exist. D ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 15:26:24 -0600 From: "James Neiderhiser" Subject: opening acts I heard that Belew was/is doing work with Les Claypool, why not see the flying frog brigade open for KC? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 19:25:41 -0500 From: "Nealie McBean" Subject: Best Live Crim? Greetings from a first time poster. I've been a King Crimson fan for the better part of my life, but I've recently "rediscovered" this fantastic band by dipping my toes their seemingly limitless live archives. To my eternal shame, I've never actually seen KC, but I've long known of their unbeatable prowess on stage (My well worn video of "The Noise" taught me that lesson long ago.). Believe it or not, I've only just recently gotten acquainted with the amazing live work of the Fripp-Bruford-Wetton-Cross line up. I picked up the re-released USA, which I must say with all due respect, has been unfairly maligned by Mr. Fripp. It may not be their most dynamic, adventurous performance, but that show was very far from being a dud, particularly now with the restored versions of Fracture & Starless. ( Of course, KC on a so-so day leaves most bands in the dust!) Sufficiently intrigued, I went on to order the mighty Great Deceiver box set, a fantastic set that I'm still digesting, but I already feel a hankering for more. . . My Question: Where do I go from here? I've heard great things about the Night Watch, although that set list is looking a little too familiar particularly since much of this material made it onto SABB. I'm curious to check out some of the KCCC releases. The Mainz show has received especially high praise, both for the quality of the performances and the sound. I'm also intrigued by the early Muir shows, albeit a bit daunted by the prospect of half hour improvs. Don't get me wrong, improvisation was this line up's great strength, but I can only imagine how far this stuff goes. I know that there are several other bootlegs out there too. So what are your favorite KC live shows, from this line up or any other? Where do I go from here? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 20:26:27 -0500 From: "Dark Star" Subject: Power To Beleive Tour / Old Material??? First off id like to say that i am very happy with The Power To Believe. I think Crimson has done a fine job reworking the material which they played on the Level Five tour, and i am very much looking foward to seeing it performed live at the 2nd Chicago show. Also, wondering if anyone had any hopes on old pieces they might perform? I recently read an interview w/ Adrian, where he said that a song he'd like to cover would be Easy Money (he also mentioned Cat Food, but that might be a bit tricky w/o a piano player), which i think whould be a very awesome song to hear done by this lineup of the band. Not only is Adrian a very talented vocalist, which in itself would make it an interesting song to hear. Also , all the players in the band right now are very talented, and it would be very cool to hear them perform Easy Money, maybe even with some changes to the arrangment. Adrian also said that robert had mentioned possibly having a go at Larks Tongue In Aspic Part II, a song which i would also love to hear live. It'd be wonderful to have both of those songs played at one show, but either one would be great, since i sadly missed the chance to see Crimson live before 1983, having not been born until late that year. Anyways, i think im starting to sound like one of those jack asses who shouts out for Moon Child at Crimson shows, so ill stop talking about the old songs. Honestly, i'd be happy if they only played material off of The Power To Believe, and The ContruKtion Of light; two very great albums, in my opnion at least. Well, thats all for today :) 24 more days until the show in Chicago, and i can't wait. Adam Davis ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 20:28:11 -0500 From: David gorrill Subject: True to your beliefs... It's nice to see bands trying to escape the monopolies, like KC using SCI ticketing. Where Clear Channel becomes the evil empire, could not venue selection be the key to a monoply free tour? Personally, I'd rather see Crimson play at Berklee Performance Center in Boston, rather than the "stately" (another word for needs lots of upkeep) Orpheum Theatre. Favorite venue for KC in MA: Berklee Performance Center, Boston. Fine Arts Center, Amherst Favorite KC venue: Marquee, London '81(first time I had the chance to see KC...also saw the Grateful Dead and Hawkwind during that same London visit!) So, where is your favorite venue? You know the saying..."If they know where to play, they will come..." david n.p.: John Martyn: Glasgow Walker ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 01:08:30 -0500 From: "Andrew Baxley" Subject: Clear Channel's not all bad Yeah, it sucks having to work with the corporate megamonolith that is Clear Channel. They're a venal monopoly that has a vice grip on promotion in most of the major US markets, has pretty well stifled competition, and has driven the cost of ticket prices through the roof. That said, however, my experience has been that they generally do a pretty good job (notwithstanding the odious Nissan Pavilion). Moreover, the alternatives ain't so good. Consider the Radiohead tour from a couple summers ago. Radiohead tried to buck the system by bypassing the Clear Channel summer amphitheatres and playing their Washington, DC area shows at Bull Run (near the Civil War battlefield). Both shows were cancelled because torrential rains at Bull Run caused flooding which caused the makeshift stage to sink. Had Radiohead played the Clear Channel amphitheatres, the crowd up front would have been under cover, the band would be playing in a venue designed for concerts, and the show would have gone on and started on time, notwithstanding the heavy rains. On the other hand, tickets likely would have had a face price of $75 instead of the $37.50 face price for the Bull Run shows. Radiohead tried to buck the system, but only ended up screwing their DC fans. Clear Channel's grip on promotion is also probably to thank for Axl Rose finally getting his lunch handed to him when it cancelled the recent Guns 'n' Roses (G 'n' Aren't?) tour. A loose amalgamation of local promoters likely would have had to continue to put up with his late-shows, no-shows and other prima donna antics because they would have had a tougher time banding together to reach a consensus. By virtue of their dominance in their field (and aided by his complete loss of credibility), they were able stand up to the bully and send him packing. APB ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 03:09:44 -0600 From: "John Spannaus" Subject: True Fans, Pearl Jam, etc.. "ewok_lij@localnet.com" First of all. A recycled post is worth as much as a recycled lyric.. "DanKirkd@aol.com" Good point.. Clear Channel is obviously the "bad-guy" in this situation, but it is disconcerting to see so many "fans" blindly defend Fripp without knowing the situation.. I'm as big of a KC fan as anyone, but I refuse to deify "Bobby" or any of the Crims.. If and when a KC member makes a bad choice, I'm not afraid to call 'em on it.. They're not gods, and the last thing they need is a bunch of "yes-men" as their core fan-base.. Oh, and by the way.. Pearl Jam SUCKS. --Sir Nicholas James Spannaus III ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 06:34:20 -0500 (EST) From: Brian Kelley Subject: Re: American Crimson - How 'bout Schmoe kCrimsonaire?!? :) In ET #1095, Douglas Arthur wrote: >With Simon Cowell from American Idol already bowing out of any future >installments of the series, I began to think about who might be best >suited to replace him as judge. Why not Fripp? he certainly fits the bill >of an ill-tempered Brit who is quick with the insult. > Hee, that's pretty funny you were thinking that! 'Coz the other night as I was watching Joe "Schmoe" Millionaire, something struck me about Paul Hogan, the British butler. "You know, I could see FRIPP as the butler!" His mannerisms and quaint, succinct way of talking reminds me of hearing Fripp on various live recordings. In this version of the show, 20 fine women from Guitar Craft vie for the attention of a handsome, yet dorky "imposter" - posing as a representative of DGM, "in charge" of signing only ONE women to an exclusive DGM contract. Each of the 20 G.C. women perform their original guitar compositions to the Schmoe, who will eventually weed the field to 2. But yet in real life, this imposter (Schmoe kCrimsonaire) is really just a guitar tech for a small-town prog band in New Jersey, making only $190 per show. So even though this winner will not REALLY be signed to DGM, she will be in for a nice surprise. She will win the entire back catalogue of KC remastered CDs PLUS all the back releases of the KCCC (as well as an opening spot on the KC "Incline To 2004" Tour). In the meantime, her new man (Schmoe kCrimsonaire) can be his everloving and trusting guitar tech while SHE can be the new draw for this struggling prog band. Oh what a thrill it will be once this band opens for KC - featuring Fripp the Butler ;) Perhaps like the CGT's and Tony Geballe's of yesteryear, this band could perhaps be signed to DGM after all - everything coming full circle in the end :) But yes, I could even see Fripp as Simon on AI. Except I don't see Fripp as such a nasty, cynical type like Simon. In this case of American Crimson, the judges would be Tony Levin (or Adrian) as Randy Jackson, Toyah Wilcox (or even the legendary Judy Dyble) as Paula Adbul, and Fripp as Simon. No matter what the other two think, all "executive" decisions must go thru Fripp. How 'bout if contestants can try to sing like a vocalist of KC-past (Lake, Haskell, Burrell, Wetton, up to Belew), play the drums (a la Giles or Bruford), sax like McDonald or Collins, or of course, any instrumental guitar passage of any KC song? I can hear those abrasive comments from "Simon Fripp" now... "Don't want to be rude, but that was BY FAR the most abtrocious version of Fracture I've ever heard! Could only imagine what FracKtured would sound like!" "You simply are not Guitar Craft material!" "And where was that cracked cymbal sound during Starless?" "I've heard better versions of Cadence And Cascade at a karaoke bar!" "You have done that Prince Rupert grand injustice to Jon Anderson, for sure. A soddy soprano you are!" "What do I know about Crimson, you ask?!! Sir, I AM CRIMSON!!!!!!!" ;) Can you imagine an acapella version of "Happy Family" or "Easy Money", sung off-key? All THREE would be covering their ears lol. Hee hee, that was a fun topic to cover. If anybody else has any other fun, witty versions of either American Crimson or Schmoe Crimsonaire they would like to share, please be our guest. Doug and I surely wouldn't mind as long as the other ET'ers don't :) Peace and Krimso, Brian ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 09:47:08 -0500 From: Brian Preston Subject: Tour-Asheville-respect, to Robert First off I was motivated to write seeing that Mr. Fripp has been reading ET - and I was in disgust of the rather banal and uninformed things said by one fellow re: tickets... something that Robert has commented on in a recent diary entry (2/17/03). Not that I feel a strong compunction to be a defender of any band - but, well actually I do (being in a similar yet more underground situation than KC). Point is, let's let the music happen and let down the multiple hackles that us finicky fans/musicians raise before a tour. Yes arent we all so clever and intelligent, so much so that we can say anydamnthing we want through the thick skin of e mail. Mutual respect is a nice place to start anything. Secondly, it's going to be just GREAT that Crimson is playing in beautiful Western North Carolina, and Robert, if you havent been there you will find the scenery wonderful and the astral vortex to be powerful (or so the mystiks say) So just a large Thanks! for you guys coming to North Carolina to open the tour!! As a big fan and player of many things you have written over the years (SG has a crafty guitarist - David Oskardmay) I must say it is nicer to drive 4 hours to see the KC than it was to fly over 2,000 miles to see KC in 1995 (Thrak tour) for 3 shows at the Warfield - although that was a great trip too. Looking forward to hearing Level 5 as I have never heard that piece. I dont know what the Orange Peel will be like, its a new venue, but we will be up close and personal so look for a large group of folks from the Durham/Chapel Hill/Raleigh area (one with the discipline knot tatooed on his arm - Jeff, our drummer!) (And this just on the heels of a Thursday night show in Chapel Hill opening for Tunnels-whew) Safe travels from Nasheville!!! (Hi Sandra) ************************************************************************ Brian Preston/Metaphoric Music Productions Smokin'Granny http://meta4ik.home.mindspring.com/smokingranny http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/smokingranny2 (sound files) Krimson News Radio http://www.live365.com/stations/crim75 (SG in rotation) Onomata http://www.umbrellarecordings.com/feature.html Groove Stream Attractor http://hometown.aol.com/tjohn62124/groovestreamattractor.html http://www.aural-innovations.com/issues/issue20/groove01.html ******** ******** ******** ******** "When people are coupled together through musicking, each steers his or her own raft of subjectivity into the collective sea of neurodynamics." William Benzon in 'Beethoven's Anvil: Music in Mind & Culture' ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 11:35:26 -0500 From: Alain Proulx Subject: Upcoming tour For those who have the chance to attend a show of the upcoming tour will see the "other side" of the Power to Believe. The first side was, as we know now, the Level 5 concerts. Can't wait to hear where Dangerous Curves and other stuff will bring us this time. In the Level 5 tour the new stuff was in the creation step. Now, as Fripp says, these new songs are living of their own life. They have an existence, this is probably THE difference between MUSIC and what we can hear again and again on radio. Can't wait for the Album, can't wait for the show, can't wait for a good live recording of this upcoming tour, can't wait for....... everything (oh what a fan I am...) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 18:39:24 +0000 From: "Dale cleary" Subject: KC members privacy. I would like to say that I feel that the details of the various members of KC are none of my buisness. What they do with themselves when not on stage makes no difference to my listening to the music they produce. This is the stuff of celebrity magazines and people who have not found anything better to do with their time. I also think it is not in keeping with the content of their work which has always seemed to me to be individualistic in its approach. I am interested in their professional activities such as up and coming projects, but not what they do on their time off. As a personal tag, the person awaiting a package from me in England. It is in Bali ? This is due to a bizzare happening and it will be returned soon and passed on to you. All the best. Dale. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 13:47:42 -0500 From: "RIEWSKI,MARTIN (HP-ColSprings,ex1)" Subject: HOB-Pre-sale King Crimson at Gothic Hi, Does anyone know the password for the HOB Pre-sale at TicketMaster for the March 19th king Crimson show at the Gothic Theatre in Englewood, Colorado. Thanks Martin Riewski Telnet 272-5313 Fax (719)272-4341 Tel (719)272-5313 e-mail martin_riewski@hp.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 19:27:19 -0600 From: "Jonathon Smith" Subject: ppeners.. >And I really hope there's no opening act. Less is usually more in that >regard. First of all, I really hope that King Crimson makes it to Kansas City. Maybe on another, yet unannounced, leg of the tour? Second, I think opening acts are great, if picked wisely. The act shouldn't necessarily be the exact same style of music or even musical direction, but maybe a similar idea or goal with music. The Doves, DJ Shadow or The Church would be a great opener, but that takes money. Jonathon "God works in a mysterious way-- The Church can sleep and feed at once." --T.S. Eliot ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 21:26:46 -0500 From: "brad cook" Subject: Re: Recycling Regarding the Crimso "recycling" lyrically and (mostly) musically that has been discussed over the past few letters (especially in regards to some of the songs on The Power to Believe). This has come up several times on ET because it happens fairly regularly with Fripp projects. Listen to the Fripp/Summers album "I Advance Masked" and you'll hear some very familiar themes. Same thing with other Fripp projects and Crimso stuff dating all the way back to In the Wake of Poseidon and the tune "Pictures of a City" which had some parts that were structurally similar to "21st Century Schizoid Man." Fripp has been questioned about this before in interviews. I wish I could find a specific interview but I'm sure it would involve more searching than I am willing to do. I believe he said something to the effect of having an idea and using it until it exhausts itself. Either way he seems to have no qualms about presenting a musical idea several times under different names on differe! n t albums. At least he's only ripping his OWN ideas off now (*cough*Holst's Mars Suite*cough*). ;) brad cook ------------------------------ End of Elephant Talk Digest #1096 *********************************