Errors-To: admin@elephant-talk.com Reply-To: newsletter@elephant-talk.com Sender: moderator@elephant-talk.com Precedence: bulk From: moderator@elephant-talk.com To: newsletter@elephant-talk.com Subject: Elephant Talk #1108 E L E P H A N T T A L K The Internet newsletter for Robert Fripp and King Crimson enthusiasts Number 1108 Sunday, 23 March 2003 Today's Topics: Stuff and More Stuff... Gig Review - Chicago 3/14/03 Nothing Negative "New Material" Happy Lyrics Russian leaflet says: Gunn - out, Levin - in. True? Something Interesting. Sara Lee New Album Low Points? Re: TPTB Lyric Cats and KC Merchandise on Tour question Re: Mike Giles laser pointers Re: How would you fill in the end of this sentence... Having moved on, should I move back? Review of a GIG Review GIG REVIEW: 21st Century Schizoid Band live in Moscow, March 14 GIG REVIEW: Orpheum, Boston MA 3/08/03 GIG REVIEW: Chicago 3/14/03 ------------------ A D M I N I S T R I V I A --------------------- POSTS: Please send all posts to newsletter@elephant-talk.com To UNSUBSCRIBE, or to CHANGE ADDRESS: Send a message with a body of HELP to admin@elephant-talk.com or use the DIY list machine at http://www.elephant-talk.com/list/ To ASK FOR HELP about your ET subscription: Send a message to: help@elephant-talk.com ET Web: http://www.elephant-talk.com/ Read the ET FAQ before you post a question at http://www.elephant-talk.com/faq.htm Current TOUR DATES info can always be found at http://www.elephant-talk.com/gigs/tourdates.shtml You can read the most recent ten editions of ET at http://www.elephant-talk.com/newsletter.htm THE ET TEAM: Toby Howard (Moderator), Dan Kirkdorffer (Webmaster) Mike Dickson (List Admin), and a cast of thousands. The views expressed herein are those of the individual authors. ET is produced using John Relph's Digest system v3.7b (relph@sgi.com). ------------------ A I V I R T S I N I M D A --------------------- Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 22:15:52 -0500 From: "Ling & Emory" Subject: Stuff and More Stuff... It's funny to think that after 30 years of playing, this band has finally found it true voice. And I was worried...the music of Crimson has always sort of thrived on these unresolved inner tensions...as a band that was always in danger of breaking up for various reasons, the mere "process" of this heavy element of Crimson remaining together seemed to be a lot of what the music of Crimson thrived on. So what, I have asked myself, would Crimson sound like if most of those tensions were removed? Well, they'd sound like the band sounds now, I guess. As for ticket prices, they are quite fair. Town Hall is a good hall (not amazing acoustically, but decent, and with a pleasant and intimate feel), and this is the greatest Rock Band of all time. So $50 a pop doesn't seem bad at all, and keep the rabble out. Actually, it doesn't, which reminds me... "I understand KC's photography policy, but if KC has now gone to the point that they have to hire goons to raid the audience looking for cameras as he claimed, then I have lost some respect for the band." Well, I remember getting frisked upon entry to the Savoy in 1981, and have seen "goons" searching the audience for cameras and whatnot at various Crimson gigs over the years. And in years past on ET I've bitched about it, and continue to believe it's largely a self-defeating approach. And I find myself encountering and "tripping over" Fripp's somewhat hostile approach to the audience (and I have little doubt he's got a lot to do with this). And I'm not going to try to excuse it...it sucks and is distracting...a show-within-a-show that sets up the real show for defeat. At the same time, Fripp's written a lot about this subject. And while I don't agree with this particular set of responses, I sometimes feel as Crimson fans Fripp is the burden we must all share! The guy seems to be desparate not to have his music descend into the carnival triviality that is rock, 99.999% of the time. So perhaps on some level all these shannanagins are really a giant message from Fripp saying: "LOOK AT ALL THIS STUFF WE'RE DOING--THIS MEANS WE GIVE A CRAP SO WHY DON'T YOU?!" I guess it would be easier for the old guy if he were just some old rocker, bangin' the first row stage meat and suckin down booze, but he's not. And if he were, he wouldn't sound like he does, and he sounds like nobody else. In the end, all I can say is that if Crimson treats its listeners like children, that's the way they'll act. "Expectation is a prison". -Emory ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 16:15:47 -0600 From: "Robin Freers" Subject: Gig Review - Chicago 3/14/03 The following review of the March 14th show in Chicago is from the Chicago Tribune. It is posted on their web site WWW.chicagotribune.com and is available to view for free. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - King Crimson makes powerful believers By Joshua Klein Special to the Tribune March 16, 2003 There's a good reason why progressive rock peaked creatively around 1974. >From Yes and Genesis to Gentle Giant and ELP, the cream of the crop simply didn't progress very far. Even at their most ambitious and adventurous, most acts made music oddly suited to Renaissance fairs, borrowing from effete English folk and classical composers rather than offering many forward thinking ideas. One towering exception was King Crimson, which helps explain why the group remains active and relevant nearly 35 years past its inception. Leader Robert Fripp took inspiration from the dissonant, discordant music of 20th Century composers, and with a rotating cast of virtuoso players, he melded his interests into a furious hard rock fusion. Indeed, varying incarnations of King Crimson have been what keeps the group interesting. Yet even though Fripp and the band mutate every few years, they do so without abandoning the precepts that originally made the band great. At Park West Friday night, King Crimson played material almost exclusively from its latest album "The Power to Believe." The current mutation, featuring Fripp, longtime collaborator Adrian Belew and recent additions, powerhouse drummer Pat Mastelotto and bassist Trey Gunn, is well suited for precision work and passionate sonic assaults, tight as a vice even when its music sounds like sheet metal being peeled off a skyscraper and riveted back on. No one else sounds like King Crimson because few would know where to begin. During "Happy With What You Have to be Happy With," Belew unleashed a solo that sounded like someone strangling a monkey. Fripp, perched as usual on his stool and shrouded by darkness, made his guitar mimic a dentist's drill during "Facts of Life." And who knows just what a "Warr guitar" is, but Gunn teased and tapped fascinating sounds out of the strange instrument. Breaking up the barrage of abrasive epics were beautiful moments that showed the band just as adept at playing things mellow. "The Power to Believe II" ended with a hypnotic coda that recalled Indonesian gamelan percussion, while "Dangerous Curves" began as a hushed, pulsing beat before exploding into rhythmic fireworks. It's this carefully orchestrated chaos that makes the band so fascinating. Even a song as cacophonous as "The World's My Oyster Soup Kitchen Floor Wax Museum" found space for a Fripp solo that recalled a delicate flurry of piano notes, like some strange future jazz. But even though King Crimson's current material is strong enough to anchor a show, the band risks alienating die-hard fans by ignoring its older work. No doubt it's a frustrating irony faced by bands of King Crimson's stature: if it wants to maintain the fan support necessary to move forward, the group still needs to occasionally look back. Copyright c 2003, Chicago Tribune ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 09:12:02 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Brothers Subject: Nothing Negative A few issues ago someone asked why there were little or no negative comments about any of the Crimso concerts. Well, based on the 3/15 show at Park West in Chicago, I know why. It was, in a word, perfect. Adrian was in apparently full health and excellent voice, Trey and Pat are MONSTERS, Robert's solo on Facts of Life was worth the price of admission, the sound was clear and not at all too loud, the audience was jazzed up but respectful, and the venue was very comfortable. I tried very hard to think of a negative, but for the life of me just couldn't. Thanks Crimso, for doing what you do. Take Care, mike ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 18:51:41 EST From: Guitar86rick@aol.com Subject: "New Material" I am sick and tired of hearing people complain about how The Power To Believe has no new material on it. You must understand, all of the EP's and live discs were released by the band to give their fans a close look at the formation of music. The material is not new because it's not supposed to be. It would be entirely new material if you hadn't boughten every single KC release recently (I'm not against that or anything, but since I don't have the kind of money to buy so many CD's, I hadn't heard most of the songs in the first place). Please remember that KC released many of these "preview" discs to allow you to hear the direction the band is heading. Rick ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 14:18:34 +0000 From: Craig Ward Subject: Happy Lyrics Think I just figured it actually, And for a second verse Of terse economy I'll brew another pot Of ambiguity Craig ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 10:57:11 +0000 (GMT) From: court_jester@kingoftheworld.co.uk Subject: Russian leaflet says: Gunn - out, Levin - in. True? The leaflets handed out at the 21st CSB concert in St. Petersburg last week said that King Crimson is coming to Russia in June with Tony Levin rather than Trey Gunn. Anyone heard this? Can ET officially deny or confirm this? Same thing mentioned on the Russian promouter's forum. -- Personalised email by http://another.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 10:38:34 -0600 From: "Marc Gonzalez" Subject: Something Interesting. ET'ers, there is a movie about to open called Laurel Canyon. It is about a wild living record producer played by Frances McDormand who's uptight son and wife comes to visit. Lou Barlow (ex-Dinosaur Jr.) plays a character called Fripp. Can't wait to check this out. Marc Gonzalez IS Customer Service Ochsner Foundation Clinic 504.842.7881 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 13:24:25 -0500 (EST) From: david craig Subject: Sara Lee In an outburst of blatant procrastination, I looked up a little bit about Sara Lee's history. (She played bass for the League of Gentlemen.) I guess I hadn't realized that she was, in effect, DISCOVERED by Fripp. Here's an interesting interview that tells the story: David Craig ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 16:22:15 -0600 From: "Nick Spannaus" Subject: New Album Low Points? "dok" said: >>"am i the only one thinking that "facts of life" and "happy with..." shoud have never been composed by a band like KC ?" I totally agree. They would come off great if they were released by one of the dozens of generic "Hard-Rock" bands out there, but they aren't up to par with usual King Crimson material. The new albums is very good, but Facts Of Life and Happy. are definitely the two low points. The rest of the album is absolutely killer. --Nick ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 22:30:43 -0500 From: Tim Subject: Re: TPTB Lyric > I also love the opening of the new album.. it REALLY draws me deeper and > closer into the music. its beautiful.. > she carries me through days of apathy > she washes over me > she saved my life in a manner of speaking > when she gave me back the power to believe Not to start a new TPTB lyric thread ("menacing" is my vote by the way for Happy...), but I always heard the second line as "she watches over me", not "washes". Let the games begin! But I agree with the Jordan's main point, beautiful opening to the album. And wonderfully haunting in its recurrences. And a great post Jordan! Tim ------------------------------ Date: 18 Mar 2003 21:30:21 -0600 From: Chris Cowan Subject: Cats and KC Unlike Rick Hovis' cat, my 2 (both females) seem to both enjoy KC. In fact, one seems to be particularly entranced by "One Time" on the Deja VROOOM DVD. I remember LMAO as I watched her sitting on the end table listening to the music. It was in 5.1 Surround and her ears would twitch toward each speaker, as different percussion hits emerged. The tempo being fairly slow on that song made the ear movement seem very exaggerated. Of course, they seem to like a lot of different music. They really dig Miles Davis and John Coltrane, too! ;) But doesn't everyone? I've had TPTB in my truck, so I guess they're ready for a listening session. I finally bought a CD copy of In the Wake of Poseidon (my vinyl collection has not seen the light of day for over 10 years), so maybe I'll include Cat Food, too! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 21:14:42 -0800 (PST) From: ProgNaut@webtv.net (Ron Fuchs) Subject: Merchandise on Tour question What's available for sale at the US shows? and the costs please. My wife & I are going to the March 29th show here in Los Angeles and want to know how much to bring ;) --- Ron Fuchs http://www.ProgNaut.com Update list: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ProgNaut/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 20:12:52 -0600 From: Craig Subject: Re: Mike Giles >(Unfortunately I don't know anything he recorded after 1970!) You may wish to check out Kevin Ayers-"Yes, We Have No Mananas". MG plays drums on all tracks. (This is one that tends to fall through the cracks. Not phenomenal, (like his "Confessions of Dr Dream", or "Joy of a Toy"),...... but a nice pop record from Kevin). ~C ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 07:50:03 +0100 From: "christian skina" Subject: laser pointers Jordan, maybe u'd like to know I found your joke very funny too! When the difference between what we expect and what happens (in this case in imagination) is big, laughter is the result. It's one of the basic formulas for a joke. But when one adds constipation to the perceiver, the joke dies. Since I have seen at least 1x Mr Fripp laughing (let alone the other Crimsons), I suppose he's sitting on a stool NOT because he cannot move... Greetings Chris LaserEyes ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 04:01:10 -0800 (PST) From: Scott A Subject: Re: How would you fill in the end of this sentence... David Vella wrote: (snip)....PPS. How would you fill in the end of this sentence: The Power to Believe is my favorite KC album since.....?(snip) My answer: The beginning of time. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 11:49:33 -0000 From: "Backham, Clive" Subject: Having moved on, should I move back? OK, brief history: - Longtime fan of Crimson, especially the Wetton-era stuff - Thought some parts of Thrak were great - Thrakattak sounded like a bunch of pointless noodling - Hated TCOL - Moved on (as per Fripp's advice) Now I read orgasmic reports about TPTB. Downloaded the MP3 of HWWYHTBHW from the EP and thought it was dreadful. Have been unable to find other excerpts from TPTB to check it out. Should I remain moved on, or is there a chance I might find TPTB a return to form? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 22:44:18 -0500 From: Tim Subject: Review of a GIG Review > Subject: GIG REVIEW: Toronto through childrens eyes > > Here is a review of the Toronto gig by my 11 year old (third time seeing KC) > and my 9 year old (second time seeing KC): This is my vote for the All Time Best GIG Review of KC!! My favorite line: 9.- They didn't bow. We play piano and our teacher makes us bow. Absolutely wonderful-thanks Greg!!! Tim ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 15:22:48 +0300 From: Erik Dean DePoy Subject: GIG REVIEW: 21st Century Schizoid Band live in Moscow, March 14 GIG REVIEW 21st Century Schizoid Bank live in Moscow, March 14 There are advantages as well as disadvantages for music-lovers living in Moscow. The main advantage is the availability of mp3 collections from a wide range of groups (including, it should be noted, a 4-disc set of our heroes). Unfortunately, very few of my favorite groups make a tour stop in Moscow, opting instead for the more lucrative American and European markets. With that said, there are some notable exceptions. And last Friday's concert by 21st Century Schizoid Band at the Hotel Rossiya was one of them. I originally learned about the show by peering through the window of a moving city bus along the route I commute to work. As we drove by, I caught a glimpse of a dark sign with five heads in a semi-circle above the words KING CRIMSON in big letters. I could hardly believe my eyes, and was elated by the fact that the King would apparently be coming to play in Moscow, for the first time ever. However, I soon grew confused after failing to find any information on the internet regarding such a show. Only after approaching the ad up close did I see the tiny print above that read "21st Century Schizoid Band: Original Members of...". And, of course, I might have known better, as the current incarnation of Crimson has four members, not five. Or so I thought at the time. Anyway, it all became clear when I saw that the five heads were in fact those of Jakko Jaksyk, Mel Collins, Ian McDonald, Peter Giles and Ian Wallace. I was a tad disappointed that it wasn't Fripp & Co. coming to town, but I soon realized that this other band was one I just had to see. After all, what other chance would I ever get to hear the oldest Crimson classics rendered live in concert? So I plunked down my 550 rubles ($18) for a ticket. The show was held at the concert hall of the mammoth Hotel Rossiya, which is situated on the banks of the Moscow River next to the Kremlin. To be sure, amidst such surroundings the sunset that evening was a delight to behold. While admiring the view, I listened to the mp3 version of the Red album, which, it should be noted, contains some excellent sax work by none other than the gentleman I would soon be seeing, Ian McDonald. After passing by security personnel who were wielding wand metal detectors (which only served to remind me of the Moscow theater tragedy of five months ago), I sought to get a drink. To say the least, I was disappointed by the concessions. No hint of any CDs or T-shirts for sale, and the only proper bar I saw was small and staffed by two guys who proceeded to get into an argument with one another. The manager soon appeared and told one of them to get lost, then abruptly closed the bar down, leaving a line of about ten frustrated people with no drinks in hand. And although there were several long tables elsewhere in the hall selling bottles of vodka, wine and champagne, they also began closing up shop within minutes. I was barely lucky enough to grab one of the last bottles of champagne, or else I would have had nothing to enjoy before the show whatsoever. I just could not believe it - but then again this concert hall is state-run, which in Russia is almost always a bad sign. At least the coat check was impres sive, and I left the lady who took my coat a generous tip. With that said, I was able to enjoy the champagne in the foyer while chatting with some fellow Crimson fans before the band took the stage. When I heard the opening measures of Pictures of a City, I knew it was time to find my seat. Somewhat to my surprise, the atmosphere was very formal, with ushers showing you your seat as if you were at a symphony orchestra. Wasn't this supposed to be a "rock" concert? The crowd was very much middle-aged and predictably well behaved. No smoking, no drinking, no requests for Freebird. I was sitting towards the back of the orchestra on the right side, and although the sound was somewhat muffled by the balcony hanging above, I did have an aisle seat with three empty seats to my left. This was a big plus, as it allowed me to comfortably stretch my legs and even get up to visit the men's room without having to disturb anyone. Cat Food was next, definitely a crowd favorite. It was certainly a thrill to be hearing this live; in fact, it was a thrill to be hearing every one of the se songs live. The next number was Let There Be Light, from Ian's "Driver's Eyes" album. Unfortunately, I did not recognize the next number, but Jakko played along on flute and did a fine job. Perhaps this was a new number, or maybe one from McDonald and Giles. During this Jakko broke a string, and in between songs he calmly restrung the guitar while chatting with the audience. It should be noted that Jakko was very popular with the crowd for actually speaking to them in Russian, thanks to some translated notes he was holding. Although I'm fluent in Russian, I only understood about half of what he was saying, but the effort was quite admirable. The band then broke into "In the Court of the Crimson King", which was fabulous to hear. Ian's flute work was of course a highlight. The following song was Formentera Lady, which, to my delight, continued on through Sailor's Tale and The Letters. Again, it was a tremendous thrill to be hearing this sequence of music live, even more so from the likes of Ian and Mel, who were original members of the Islands band. The following tune was entitled If I Was, another cut from Ian's CD. Unfortunately, this relatively quiet song was marred by a bit of feedback. Ladies of the Road followed, and I cannot say enough about Mel's solo on this one. That guy just shines on his instrument, and I had a huge grin the whole time he was wailing away. The next number was I Talk to the Wind, which, true to the original recording, featured dual flute action. A very mellow song with excellent vocals by Jakko. I have to admit, he really does sound a lot like Greg Lake. This led into Epitaph, which featured dual synthesized mellotrons played by Ian and Mel. A very dreamy version, not unlike the original. At times I simply closed my eyes and pretended it was 1969. This turned out to be the last number of the set, but thankfully they returned for an encore amidst enthusiastic applause. Or should I say, Ian returned for an encore by sitting down at his piano and playing the theme to Islands. This was simply a moment of beauty, one of the finest of the evening. My notes show an exclamation point next to this one. The rest of the band drifted back onto the stage, and after a bit of a tuning jam broke into (what else) 21st Century Schizoid Band. This was a manic version to be sure, and a fitting way to close the show. In short, I feel privileged to have had the chance to hear this band live, especially since they have yet to play in the U.S. For those American ET'ers out there, this is certainly a show not to be missed. It is a real dream come true for the classic Crim fanatic. And I should not end this review without some words of praise for Peter Giles and Ian Wallace. Peter was rock steady the whole evening, with a warm tone and intimate feel for the compositions. His work fit like a glove with Ian's drumming, which of course shone on the Islands material. Although it would have been nice to hear Michael Giles, Ian was more than adequate in his stead. In short, given the presence of so many former members of Crimson, the spirit of the King was indeed in the hall that evening. P.S. After the show, flyers were handed out advertising King Crimson's June 14 show at the Hotel Rossiya. The ad contained the intriguing announcement "(+ Tony Levin to be confirmed)". So we indeed may be seeing a five-piece Crimson in the not-so-distant future! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 00:31:09 -0500 (EST) From: "Aaron G. Moulin" Subject: GIG REVIEW: Orpheum, Boston MA 3/08/03 Hello all, Just thought I'd share some of my feeling about the Crimso show in Boston on the 8th of March. First, let's start with a set list. 1. TPTB1 2. Level V 3. HWWYHTBHW 4. TCoL 5. EleKtrik 6. Eyes Wide Open 7. ProzaKc Blues 8. Short Soundscape 9. TPTB2 10. Facts of Life 11. Dangerous Curves 12. LTIA IV Encore 1 Deception of the Thrush Potato Pie Encore 2 Dinosaur VROOOM So--perhaps some thoughts on the performance are in order. The band was in very good form. They played through most of hte material without a hitch. One exception: In LTIA IV, there was a bit of a faux pas. Adrian seemed a bit confused when the band reached teh blistering 15/16 section. I have to admit, I was confused myself. It seemed almost as though the rest of the band jumped the gun a bit. It left Ade looking a tad bewildered, and he stopped playing for few seconds. But, as any good musician does, he listened and hopped right back in. This time around the band is much harder than in the previous 2 tours. It seems that Crimson is definitely a metal band, of some sort. Level V in particular is a crushing blow--aptly placed at the head of the show. At first I thought this song was too much just another LTIA tune. I still think it basically is LTIA V, but I have a better appreciation for how much it kicks. Eyes Wide Open does not convince me as a live tune. It is actually one of a very few Crimson tunes which I believe comes across better on the disc. TPTB2 is basically just a revamped Virtuous Circle. Dangerous Curves pleases me more and more with every listen. My favorite is definitely EleKtrik. The 13/8 section grooves hard and has me wanting more and more. I was also *extremely* surprised to see the reappearance of the middle section of Dinosaur. Now instead of an Ade/Levin duet we get an Ade/Trey/Fripp trio. Very interesting. My single biggest complaint: the audience. I thought this particular crowd was exceptionally rude. People were constantly yelling out "play this" "play that." I was particularly disappointed that they talked all through the quiet bits of Depection and Dangerous Curves. Not only did I find it inappropriate behavior, but I felt it hampered my ability to listen and submerge myself in the music. Such a shame. I was also slightly displeased with the length. It could have been longer. But, it must be difficult to play and hour of such technically demanding music. I know I'll probably get flamed for this, but I thought taht Trey and Pat were the standout players in this performance. They were a crushing rhythm secion--tight, vibrant, throbbing, penetrating. I was extremely impressed. Ade and Fripp of course played brilliantly--but my attention was centered on Trey and Pat and they're ability to turn the beat not only around, but upside down and sideways. Definitely make a trip out to see this show. Very worth it. Cheers, Aaron -- Aaron Moulin Biochemistry Dept. MS 009 Brandeis Univ. P.O. Box 9110 Waltham MA 02454 "But what do the heads do?" --Chris Miller Ph.D. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 16:31:45 -0600 From: "Fermier World HQ" Subject: GIG REVIEW: Chicago 3/14/03 King Crimson blew the doors off of the Park West on Friday night! This band obviously came to play. At the start of the concert, Robert loudly stated "I want to Rock tonight!" And, did this band EVER! From start to finish the band played for almost 2 hours! Robert came out, alone, at 7:20 and started soundscaping. He was joined 10 minutes later by the rest of the band. There was very little dead time between songs. The band did two encores, waiting only about 2 minutes after leaving the stage before that came back. HINT for concert goers, LEARN the words to Prozac Blues and be ready to sing along when Adrian prompts you! The Chicago fans seemed to be surprised that Adrian wanted audience participation, but they caught on soon enough. Adrian was a joy to watch, bouncing all over the stage. Even Robert cracked a smile or two at Ade's antics. I spent much of the time watching the interaction between Trey and Pat. These guys are very entertaining to watch. A guy at the front of the stage brought his two sons to the concert (they both looked pre-teen.) Ade and the band noticed and at the end of the show, Trey gave one kid the set list and Pat gave the other a set of drum sticks that he later autographed. Ade, gave the kids guitar picks and then tossed a hand full out into the audience. (YES! I GOT ONE!) I've been to many King Crimson shows and this one had to be the best, yet!!) ------------------------------ End of Elephant Talk Digest #1108 *********************************