Errors-To: admin@elephant-talk.com Reply-To: newsletter@elephant-talk.com Sender: moderator@elephant-talk.com Precedence: bulk From: moderator@elephant-talk.com To: newsletter@elephant-talk.com Subject: Elephant Talk #1123 E L E P H A N T T A L K The Internet newsletter for Robert Fripp and King Crimson enthusiasts Number 1123 Tuesday, 13 May 2003 Today's Topics: Re: Fripp zapped Re: The Power to Be Loathe One More Show? RF Guardian article Nothing lasts forever Fripp n his well needed break Why not London? Re: vampiric? Post-Fripp KC? The strangest, greatest thing ever Re: Racism? RF and Machine...Revolutionized worlds and individuals some sympathy for Fripp Posting and racism Re: FZ cd's/KCCC/ect. Re: Fz titles mistake/Great Drummers including KC! Zappa; Fripp's rights; music is a gift Fripp retiring ------------------ A D M I N I S T R I V I A --------------------- POSTS: Please send all posts to newsletter@elephant-talk.com To UNSUBSCRIBE, or to CHANGE ADDRESS: Send a message with a body of HELP to admin@elephant-talk.com or use the DIY list machine at http://www.elephant-talk.com/list/ To ASK FOR HELP about your ET subscription: Send a message to: help@elephant-talk.com ET Web: http://www.elephant-talk.com/ Read the ET FAQ before you post a question at http://www.elephant-talk.com/faq.htm Current TOUR DATES info can always be found at http://www.elephant-talk.com/gigs/tourdates.shtml You can read the most recent ten editions of ET at http://www.elephant-talk.com/newsletter.htm THE ET TEAM: Toby Howard (Moderator), Dan Kirkdorffer (Webmaster) Mike Dickson (List Admin), and a cast of thousands. The views expressed herein are those of the individual authors. ET is produced using John Relph's Digest system v3.7b (relph@sgi.com). ------------------ A I V I R T S I N I M D A --------------------- Date: Sun, 11 May 2003 16:27:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Wingo Subject: Re: Fripp zapped > Zappa eventually also took a stance of never > performing live again w/ a band. Remember? > Almost, but not entirely true. Although he never performed with a full band after the 1988 tour, shortly before his death, he intended to join with the Ensemble Modern and a group of "Zappa All-Stars" (ala p-funk) to do a tour. Unfortunately, he succumed to prostate cancer before it ever happened. -Tommy ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 May 2003 21:40:29 -0400 From: "Chris Holderfield" Subject: Re: The Power to Be Loathe Wow...i never really thought of it that way....like i previously stated, i don't know Fripp's habits, but for some reason, it seems to me that he probably posts stuff like this during every tour... but now that i think of it, TPTB is the first KC album i've ever listened to from start to finish without stop....i've been listening to this album from start to finish since late January, and it still holds power! Chris http://www.yournewsnow.tk ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 May 2003 22:37:38 -0600 (MDT) From: Guido Vacano Subject: One More Show? Well, if Robert Fripp is going to retire, I'm going to wish him well, and be thankful for the music. But it would be REALLY COOL if King Crimson would make up the show(s) that were cancelled in Denver Colorado, because of that $%^&#$%$#@ snowstorm! I'd hate to have missed Crimson's last tour because of lousy weather. Guido Vacano ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 07:46:57 -0400 From: "McManus, Jim" Subject: RF "The Guardian writer tries hard to be wry and effortlessly demonstrates why I avoid working in England. The received opinion of Crimson in the press is a solid block of attitude that I see no good reason to liberate: it would take more time & energy for Crimson to be generally accepted in England than for the band to consistently tour the US, twelve countries in Europe & seven in South America, over a three year period. It would also bankrupt everyone in the band & DGM while the band endures hostility, ridicule, the insults of those who expect us to play our golden hits, the negativity of certain earlier Crims who live in the UK, and journalists who work hard to be wry. The association of KC with progressive, and progressive being the overblown & pratty musical movement that we know from reading the press between 1975 & 1992 (at least), continues to resonate negatively. The English press effectively terminated my career as a player in England; fortunately, my own professional interest lay elsewhere. The Wire article of 1992 began to reposition Crimson; the DGM archive releases beginning with The Great Deceiver (initially on Virgin & also released in 1992) presented enough aural evidence and primary materials for a new generation of listeners to judge for themselves. And yet, even last year, there are still good writers who parade their ignorance with "bands like King Crimson and Emerson Lake & Palmer"..." The above is taking from Mr Fripp's latest post from The Gold Coast, just a couple of points, Robert I have been a fan since I was 14 after Red was released, never had the chance to see KC live, I travelled to see The League of Gentlemen in Edinburgh, you even said "Hello" to me and my friends after the show as we were sitting on the steps outside the Playhouse, as you were getting into your car to leave, I even travelled with the same friends to the first Womad festival to hear a Frippertronics performance in Shepton Mallet, I have bought most albums as and when they were available. Your reasons for not playing are your own and no doubt sincerly held, and I am not critising you in any way, However I just want to say that I feel a bit let down and dissapointed by the fact that The English Press is blame for the nonappearence of KC in a Uk venue, I didnt think you would let them get so under your skin. So in closing I wont hold my breath for you to play again in Scotland, which as we know is not England or English. take care and enjoy whatever you decide to do with KC. Jim ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 14:41:36 +0100 (BST) From: David Paterson Subject: Guardian article Afraid missed it on 7 May but I was celebrating my own 50th birthday so I was amazed to see the postings about Tony Blair and KC. I found I was unable to download the article from the ET newsletter so hope you will forgive me from posting the same in full here Rock on, Tony 'I listen to what the kids play,' says the PM. So why is he still mad about a heavy rock track from 34 years ago, asks Stuart Jeffries Wednesday May 7, 2003 The Guardian Gone are the bad old days when we had rubbish prime ministers like Margaret Thatcher who, in all seriousness, chose the Beverley Sisters' version of How Much is That Doggie in the Window as her favourite song. Instead, we are fortunate enough to have a prime minister who is both sexy and cool. Sexy? "He is every woman's favourite shape, 6ft tall, good shoulders, lean hips, weighing just under 13 stone, less than he did 10 years ago," drools Valerie Grove this week in an exclusive interview with Tony Blair for Saga magazine to celebrate his 50th birthday. Cool? "Every so often, I feel I should graduate to classical music, properly," the PM tells doe-eyed Valerie. "But the truth is, I'm more likely to listen to rock music. I listen to what the kids play." But what exactly does the snake-hipped sexpot dig, rock music-wise? Mark Ellen, who 33 years ago played with the prime minister in the Oxford student band Ugly Rumours, disclosed on Radio 4's Today programme yesterday that Blair still loves Free and King Crimson. Free, you may recall, were a bunch of snake-hipped rockers responsible for such unapologetic stompers as All Right Now. King Crimson were of a different stamp. Their lead guitarist Robert Fripp often used to play live sitting down. Their lyricist Pete Sinfield had Wagnerian pretensions and deployed in verse an analysis of the human psyche that drew heavily on the work of Melanie Klein. And yet it is one of King Crimson's songs that still weighs heavily on the prime minster. "I saw him not long ago and we spent about 20 minutes talking about the music we listened to at college," said Ellen. "We were talking about 21st Century Schizoid Man, which had an incredible guitar solo in the middle of it." The track 21st Century Schizoid Man is the first on the 1969 album In the Court of the Crimson King, a record that bears responsibility for launching the rock movement in all its misguided pomp, Tolkienesque noodling and sonata-form mellotron solos. Sinfield's lyric for 21st Century Schizoid Man has a prophetic tenor that will be familiar to students of Blake and Orwell: "Cat's foot iron claw/ Neuro-surgeons scream for more/ At paranoia's poison door./ 21st century schizoid man. Blood rack barbed wire/ Politicians' funeral pyre/ Innocents raped with napalm fire/ 21st century schizoid man. Death seed blind man's greed/ Poets' starving children bleed/ Nothing he's got he really needs/ 21st century schizoid man. You can't tell me that the second verse isn't a prophetic critique of war in Iraq, nor that the third isn't a similarly insightful prediction of the paranoid-schizoid politician of the current century who has adopted, just as Klein envisaged, patterns of thought and experience characterised by blame, scapegoating, idealisation, persecution and other distorted perceptions. This much is suggested on Sinfield's website (www.songsouponsea.com/Promenade/). Yesterday, Sinfield could not be contacted to provide support for these interpretations, but it should be noted that he is a lyricist who likes to make gnomic political pronouncements. For instance, Sinfield wrote the words to Bucks Fizz's early 80s hit The Land of Make Believe, and recently claimed that the line "Something nasty in your garden, waiting, till it can steal your heart ..." should be taken as having an anti-Thatcherite message. But it's the guitar solo in the song that is more important to Blair. It is howling, angular, eerie, and lots of other words that one wouldn't have thought applied to the prime minister. It is also very difficult to play. In a rewarding discussion of the solo in the May 1974 edition of Total Guitar magazine, Robert Fripp was asked how he played the very fast bits. "It's all picked down-up. The basis of the picking technique is to strike down on the on-beat and up on the off-beat. Then one must learn to reverse that. I'll generally use a downstroke on the down-beat except where I wish to accent a phrase in a particular way or create a certain kind of tension by confusing accents, in which case I might begin a run on the upstroke." Right. Sadly, we couldn't contact Fripp yesterday to get more playing tips to pass on to the premier. No matter. We can still imagine the Blairs of an evening keeping the flame of progressive rock burning. Euan holds down the chops (rock slang for playing drums). Cherie bawls emotively: "Death seed blind man's greed/ Poets' starving children bleed". Then Tony, tie loosened, legs as wide as his suit trousers will allow, an orgasmic look on his face, makes an appalling hash of the solo to 21st Century Schizoid Man. Cool? Sexy? Perhaps not. " Well he has gone up in my estimation. Its good to see a few Scots wanting a concert in Scotland. I have had the pleasure of 3 or 4 concerts in Glasgow and what a pleasure it would be for one last show playing the new music of today. If Fripp really does want to retire so be it but if he wants a bit of solitude suggest he move from States and settle in Scotland where the quality of life is excellent. Good Luck to you anyway Robert whatever happens and thank you ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 12:19:07 -0400 From: "Mike Campiglio" Subject: Nothing lasts forever Fripp retiring? Who knows. But everything comes to a end regardless. He's not going to live to be 200 years old, and at some point or another all the musicians who we grew up with won't be around or stop playing before that time comes. There will be a day where all we'll have left will be the recordings and that day isn't too far away. Mike ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 May 2003 14:37:39 EDT From: Obelisk123@aol.com Subject: Fripp n his well needed break Just gotta chime in on this. Lurker for years .. Fripp should friggn rest. HE seems a bit on edge as of late n I gave up readn his diary months ago. As a musician myself, there are some things he describes that I relate to about materiel,performance n being a artist or whathave u. But I walk away from stuff all the time n it works out. Most of the time u come back being refreshed. A lil inner work n some time w/ other musicians etc. Perspective. So Fripp must break off from the good ship crimson so be it. happiness is what I wish fer him.. More music from adrian !!! More music from Gunn n Mastallato etc.. Maybe some soundscapes or studio offering from fripp whatever !!! Like wuz mentioned : We have been thru this before concerning the Crim n such.. If yr a musician go out n play some Crimson. I play in two different Bar bands (Etc) round my area n we throw in Crimson n Zappa between Jon Couger n the like all the time. Lil tela hun into Skitzoid or Peaches n regalia during a allman bro's jam section. Keeps it in the musical vocabulary n sometimes turns heads. I gotta tell ya Adrian's "Twang Bar King" works well in the second set at least around here..People ask " What is that ?" n u tell them.. Most of the time they say "Who ?" but it does not matter. For a moment, they were moved and maybe they will go out n purchase cdz. My favorite part of music is that it is really everybody's once it's out there. Sometimes I feel blessed that I can pay respect n learning songs of artists such as Crimson n perform them in bars,clubs whathave u n stop people at times in thier tracks. For a moment, some share what us fans have known for a long time now- The music is really special. Such beautiful language.. The new cd of Crim has been in the soundtrack of my life the last few months. Had no money when they came thru ny but I know that it does not matter. I really enjoy the last offering and will stay tuned for more from em all.. I digress... Health n Happiness to Fripp n to all of u !! Drink Good beer n please clean yr glass www.radio.infoweb.org Gus Mason ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 May 2003 13:01:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Jorge Luis Jimenez Subject: Why not London? I have red a lot in this list about the possible Fripp's retirement, I don't know if that will happen at this point or not, but in any case K_rimson is not coming to London, I don't see any UK date in the tour!... do anyone knows if are they adding any date here in the UK? I have no momey at the moment to travel to France or Spain... to me it is really a pain not to see this tour... hope they come here.... cheers JL ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 May 2003 16:07:26 EDT From: Cohortrec@aol.com Subject: Re: vampiric? I seem to remember a comment RF made on an album cover about the vampiric nature of the rock biz. Seems he was right again eh? J. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 May 2003 17:31:49 -0700 (PDT) From: rone@ennui.org (circadian rhyme) Subject: Post-Fripp KC? > Date: Fri, 09 May 2003 19:41:10 -0400 > From: Tim > A question for all-Robert has often said that KC exists independent > of himself (although his latest diary entries betray that > somewhat-it nonetheless has been his ongoing conviction-"its not the > Bobby Fripp band"). Say Fripp retires, would KC carry on in name > without him (Gunn, Pat, Adrian, et. al.)? Should it? (in an > artistic sense, not legally-that's a whole other question that they > alone can likely answer). If they did carry on would you be as > interested? Would it? I think it unlikely. Should it? If the music continues being evidently Crimsonian, yes. If so, would i be interested? Certainly. rone ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 00:29:11 -0400 From: ". ." Subject: The strangest, greatest thing ever I don't think anyone has ever posted about this guy before. Just so you know, this is not me, I am not just shilling my own band here - but every KC fan in the world - nay, every PERSON in the world owes it to themselves to experience... http://www.mp3.com/dokaka I am not even going to attempt to describe what lies there... you'll just have to trust the word of a stranger on this. I'll just say: I came for the "21st Century", but I stayed for the "Creeping Death" - circle9ine ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 09:34:18 +0100 From: Steve Moore Subject: Re: Racism? Toby... Remember a large proportion of the readers of ET don't 'get' irony :-)) Toby wrote -----Original Message----- [ I allowed the original Stamperdanny post because it was so ridiculous and totally brain-dead-stupid, I felt that ETers would simply laugh at its ignorance. I fear that I misjudged, so I apologise to all those who were offended. --Toby ] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 02:23:22 -0700 From: "adam" Subject: RF and Machine...Revolutionized worlds and individuals Once upon a time (please forgive me for not using proper citation of time and place) Robert Fripp expressed the idea that music could change the world. I wonder if he still feels that way. At the very least it seems that he still feels that music can change the individual, and if enough individuals are changed... How many people were changed by just one of KC's albums, i know that "Three Of A Perfect Pair" revolutionized my world and the music that i listen to. Amazing. I suppose that these are questions best left up to Mr. Fripp, but one feels that his opinions on the power of music have evolved (as they should). In regard to Machine, the mysterious figure on the TPTB album...who is he? Please eliminate the resume, i'm (and i suspect most people) are interested in "who he is", the pseudonym makes him nice and mysterious, but eventually the humanity of the figure must (should) peek through, so who is this "Machine" character. Does anyone have any idea who he is, and what he does, other than a simple rehashing of his resume. The dreams in which i'm dying are the best i've ever had, adam ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 02:37:42 -0700 From: "adam" Subject: some sympathy for Fripp As someone who's done some playing in public, from theaters to coffee shops (yes, i understand that's not very impressive but follow my point) i can understand Fripp's annoyance. Constantly you're around promoters/owner who genuinely despise the musical acts, there are the workers who's goal is to bring the musician down, and there are the apathetic listeners. All of these things combine to bring despair to the musician. What's the point? I remember one instance when the coffee lady came up to us in the middle of the song and asked us to turn down. A slap was in order, but i restrained. In an environment like this the fun is quickly taken away. So, if in a foreign country with more hassle, more difficulties, more aggravation...quickly the enjoyment flees. Obviously "touring" doesn't agree with Fripp, that's understandable, that's just who Fripp is.. I don't deal with manipulating people, that's just who i am, i don't deal well with them, anger emerges. Perhaps the road is not for him. That's understandable, keep in mind that Fripp still has to be a human being at the end of the day. PS: Where did the Tony Levin replacing Trey Gunn rumor come from? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 08:38:16 -0400 From: Mark Axelson Subject: Posting and racism In response to the Stamperdanny posting in 1118, and subsequent replies (including Toby's): The internet is, in my experience, one vast exercise in free speech. It is true. Those of us who are familiar with the mass of misinformation out there do, I think, develop better "filters" and can discern the gems from the garbage. Garbage, of course, PROLIFERATES on the web. I liken it to disgusting and rude driving habits on the highway. It is a semi anonymous activity, and, lordy knows, anonymity can breed this kind of insane behavior. Yep, I agree. Stamperdanny's post was just plain absurd. In fact, it was hardly worthy of a response (which, to me, in one of the BEST responces to such absurdity and filth). I like to think of ETers as those who would be a bit more intelligent- folks who can weed through the ugliness and get to posting some substance in response to substance. Toby, I would not take ETers relative silence as anything but a refusal to "spread the compost o'er the weeds to make them ranker" (apologies for the cliche- I LOVE Hamlet). I do know, of course, that ET IS a private forum with private rules (i.e. free speech does not necessarily apply). I find that here, ET strikes a terrific balance. I will not question the decision to allow the post to be seen. I think it serves as a positive- a reminder that such neaderthalic thinking DOES exist and every now and again, it is good to get a swift kick in the complacency. Many thanks to ET posters who have chosen to see the referred- to post for what it is: completely and utterly unworthy of response (not that I would condemn those who would respond in outrage- I would never. Recognize it for what it is, call it what it is and then relegate it to it's proper place- the toilet. ::FLUSH::). And many thanks to Toby for maintaining the forum as it is, and, indeed, for choosing to include these "thoughts" Now, back to important stuff. Like "retirements". And Norbertt Fragg. Max ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 09:33:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Steven Munari Subject: Re: FZ cd's/KCCC/ect. Hello Criminals: In ET #1121 Dan Bailey asked about what Frank Zappa albums to start with. While this will surely depend on 'whom' is giving their opinion, and since there are literally/figuratively over 100 titles that are vastly different, i'll suggest a few that contain great musicianship quality songs & humor. I'd start with the 1973/74 bands and get "Zappa/Mothers Roxy & Elsewhere" as this has it all from a great FZ line-up. great tunes & shows you the band can play these tunes live, "with no overdubs" as FZ was famous of saying/doing. Then I'd go with: "Overnite Sensation"(Some language be discreet) "One Size Fits All" These above 2 cd's are on 1 cd now. "Chunga's Revenge" just awesome "Hot Rats" same "The Grand Wazoo" is the finest exaple of FZ's orchestral recording imo. But still has enough R&R elements to keep your interest. "We're Only In It For The Money" & Lumpy Gravy" are on 1 cd now so you can explore the early Mothers & the 1967 cover so 'sarcastically ' reflects the Beatles "Sgt. Pepper's" album cover! This is great. "Zappa Live in NY" is a must but has some heavy duty language so don't play it around your kids if you have any? I'd also suggest buying any of the 1st(there are 6 dbl cd's)4 dbl cd's, "You Can't Do That On Stage Anynore" as these are brilliant.(Refered to as YCDTOSA here on out)I guess i'd have to go with #'s 1 & 3 or 4 1st if you got "Roxy/Elsewhere" already. 1988's "The Best band You Never Heard In your Life" is truly amazing & the 12 man line-up was probably FZ's best.(I had to travel to see them)1000% live no overdubs. Also from 1988 tour: "Make a Jazz Noise Here" is some of the best sounding FZ tunes ever. I was fortunate enough to see that tour as it was FZ's last. The 3 disc "Lather" is a monumental peice. It was to be released by Warner Bros. before they screwed Frank(you listening Mr. Fripp?)& it took many yrs to release these great cd's! After that, Dan you can always come back for more suggestions. Oh btw, "Ahead of Their Time" from 1968 at Royal Festival Hall is a "live" recording & is special. And os 'historical' importence, as FZ was sued by the Royal Fest. Hall & this is told about in his great "Real Frank Zappa" Book. There is a song called "Diseases of the Band" on the 1st YCDTOSA 2 disc Vol.1(The Yellow One!) & later on they play the extremely hard "Don't eat the Yellow Snow" & all it's parts & with how sick the band members were it is truly amazing! My English friend Paul was sitting behind the guys whom FZ let recite 'poetry' during this tune, held at the Odeon Hammersmith, London in 1979 & his cousin had this gentleman 'puke' on his coat! LOL Also concerning FZ. Craig stated in Et 1121 that FZ "stopped playing live." I followed FZ since 1st seeing him live in 68 & can not recall him stoping touring or playing. The only time he really did this was 'after' on the 1988 tour he found he had cancer, then posponed the rest of that tour. He did play again live, however only twice. To vdan: I'm so glad that ITCOTCK makes the hairs on the back of someone else's neck stand up STILL today. Also i'm happy to hear that someone else from this list listens & enjoys Captian Beefheart! Thanks. Lastly, i'd like to "ammend" my statement in a post a couple of issues back. I stated that, 'the KC fans could always buy 'shitty' sounding recordings of KC sort of like what the KCCC produced." Something along those lines. I was angry when I posted, & don't think ALL the KCCC releases sound shitty, in fact some sound wonderful. Thanks, Steve "And the pantalooned duck, white goose neck quacked... Webcor-Webcor" Capt. Beefhart from "Golden Birdies on the "Clear Spot" album. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 14:25:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Steven Munari Subject: Re: Fz titles mistake/Great Drummers including KC! Kcriminals; 1st i'd like to point out in my last post to Dan where I was suggesting a # of great FZ albums to get into first, that I made a huge mistake. I said the incredible "Overnite Sensation" & "One Size Fits All" were available on the same cd. Wrong. It's "Overnite Sensation" & "Apostrophe". Although "Apostrophe" is also a fine album. Since I told Dan to buy "Zappa/Mothers-Roxy & Elsewhere" I just re listened to it & IT IS the 1st you should buy! It has a brilliant band; FZ Guitar& Lead Vocals, George Duke Keyboards, Tom Fowler bass, Jeff Simmons rythym guitar, Bruce Fowler Trombone, Walt Fowler trumpet, Napolean Murphy-Brock on lead vocals & flute, & tenor sax then probably the greatest drumming emsemble ever to record together, the amazing Ralph Humprey drums, Chester Thompson(Peter Gabriel-Santana-Steve Hackett-so many more)drums & the amazing, amazing Ruth Underwood on percussion!(Probably the greatest but least known female percussionist ever!) I saw this band in 1973 & it was the finest FZ concert I had ever seen until 1988! So please Dan Bailey, go out & buy this 1 first! The playing is unbelievable, & the humor is great, AND you can play this with anyone around, no language problems! In fact I would suggest this cd to all ET readers! To Ed Botti in ET #1121. I agree with every drummer you named!Btw I & the other poster were refering to great drummer's recording TODAY on more cd's than anyone else. No offense to you. John Bonham was 1 of the most creative drummer's ever, & had 1 of the fastest feet(before dbl pedals were even thought of or perfected) Jimi Hendrix told Jimmy Page, "that guy has a jack rabbit of a right foot!" I also have to say that KC has ALWAYS had great drummers! I especially think Jamie Muir was sensational & always wished he'd have recorded more w/KC but we all know about that. That's all. I think i've now posted more than I have in a whole year! Thanks, Steve "You can't write a chord ugly enough to say what you want to say sometimes, so you have to rely on a giraffe filled with whipped cream." FZ 1967 on the Mother's run at the Garrick theatre(6 months 6 days a week 2shows a day)where some of the band had found a huge stuffed giraffe & fed a concealed hose thru it's mouth to his behind where at some point in the show the 1st couple of rows would be covered with whipped cream, as it shot out of the back of said giraffe! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 14:31:50 -0700 From: "Scott Steele" Subject: Zappa; Fripp's rights; music is a gift >Anyone have any suggestions on what CD's to start with to get a real appreciation of Zappa's music. I thank you in advance. Apostrophe and Overnight Sensation worked well for me. I went both directions chronologically in the Zappa catalog from there. >3) Mr. Fripp has every right to decide when and where his workday ends or starts or even is. Right on sir. >4) Music is a gift to be enjoyed there should not be so much stress attached to it (by the Creator of the Music, or the creator of the music, or those who enjoy it. Right on sir. - S. np: Jesters, Boone's Treasury, Salem OR, March 16 2002 scottst@ohsu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 18:27:34 EDT From: Guitar86rick@aol.com Subject: Fripp retiring The reason I would be saddened by another disbandment of KC is because they may be gone for good. RF is much older than most musicians and the possibility is there that King Crimson may never tour again. Since I am only 17 years old and just discovered KC last year, I haven't had the opportunity to see them live. They also did not drop by Texas on this tour, so I may never be able to see them at all. Rick ------------------------------ End of Elephant Talk Digest #1123 *********************************